BSU vs TCU

[packwackthewac]

Lame match up.

[SolPlyr]

How crappy is this? The big boys were just fearful of the possibility that 2 non-AQ teams would beat up on two of their own.....:mad:

[backsthepack]

Worst idea ever, should have thrown them against the strongest remianing teams and made sure they didn't win.

[PackBlue]

What a freaking cop out by the BCS. Both of these teams would beat Iowa, Ga Tech and TCU would beat Cinci.

[packwackthewac]

I hope it adds to the anti BCS debate.

[NevadaConvert]

Total chicken shit. Keep the non-AQ teams segregated so they don't emmbarrass our sweetheart BCS darlings.

[bizzuto9078]

I tell you this much, I will be a TCU fan that night. I hope they kick the livin sh!t out of Boise. I am so tired of those assfans. I agree it's BS, I would have much rather seen Florida hammer them.

[DiVo]

IMO - TCU is probably the one team that can beat boise

[Pack_Man_4]

Weak. If they wanted to match up two undefeated teams, they should have had Cincy play TCU or BSU. But the last thing the BCS needs now is another non-AQ beating an undefeated school from a "power" conference.

[btat]

This is a great game but I agree i would much like to see these teams face and probably beat a Georgia Tech or and Iowa or a Cincy or even Florida

[newpackcity]

Total cop out by the BCS, it's like saying, "Welcome to Glendale, Home of the Separate but Equal Bowl." I'm just glad neither got paired up with Iowa, I'd shoot my face off if I had to watch Iowa...Funny thing is, this will probably be the closest game of all BCS games...

[rvehawk]

I was hoping Iowa would play Boise. It would be fun to watch Boise play against a solid defense. I do believe TCU and BSU got screwed.

Edit: I should have said it would've fun for ME to watch Iowa vs. Boise.... the rest of the country would probably watch reruns of Seinfeld then that matchup. I'm pretty sure that is going to happen with the Iowa, Georgia Tech game.

[BayArea Wolf]

Just another way for the BCS to screw over us non-AQ schools! I hope this leads to more debate for a playoff system and an end to this dictatorship called the BCS! It would've been more fun to watch Florida vs TCU or Boise vs Cincinnati! Geez, any nonBCS vs BCS would've been better than watching another Boise, TCU matchup!

[NEVADAFan1997]

Total cop out by the BCS, it's like saying, "Welcome to Glendale, Home of the Separate but Equal Bowl." I'm just glad neither got paired up with Iowa, I'd shoot my face off if I had to watch Iowa...Funny thing is, this will probably be the closest game of all BCS games...

You are dead on right . . . this is the separate but equal bowl. I KNEW they would do this. The BCS was created to make sure the old guard would remain in power, keep the money within the traditional powers and keep the little guy down. Now they have proven this system needs to go away. Protect all the BCS teams from the embarrasment of losing to a non-AQ team . . . GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[furry]

Just another way for the BCS to screw over us non-AQ schools! I hope this leads to more debate for a playoff system and an end to this dictatorship called the BCS! It would've been more fun to watch Florida vs TCU or Boise vs Cincinnati! Geez, any nonBCS vs BCS would've been better than watching another Boise, TCU matchup!

TCU vs. Florida, and Boise vs. Cincinnati. Both would have been excellent games.

[CAHUSKY]

You are dead on right . . . this is the separate but equal bowl. I KNEW they would do this. The BCS was created to make sure the old guard would remain in power, keep the money within the traditional powers and keep the little guy down. Now they have proven this system needs to go away. Protect all the BCS teams from the embarrasment of losing to a non-AQ team . . . GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

While I agree it would be more fun to see BSU and TCU play a major conference team isn't it silly to complain about the BCS keeping the little guy down and keeping the money within the traditional powers when the WAC and MWC are going to cash $17.5 million checks for the game?

[ord_buckeye]

Look, I know it's not what anyone wanted. I really wanted Boise-Iowa. However, don't lose sight of the fact that pre-BCS these two would be playing in the Holiday Bowl. Until the mid-majors build and start filling 75K stadiums, start turning on television sets outside of a 150 mile radius of the campus and start bringing crowds to bowl games that are not within driving distance, there's only so many demands they can make.

Boise and TCU were given a seat at the table. Now they're complaining that it's not the table they wanted. Boo fucking hoo.

[Stuck in Seattle]

While I agree it would be more fun to see BSU and TCU play a major conference team isn't it silly to complain about the BCS keeping the little guy down and keeping the money within the traditional powers when the WAC and MWC are going to cash $17.5 million checks for the game?

I agree with the sentiment. I don't think it was a conspiracy and bowl game will be a sell out success. They took TCU with their top pick when they could have taken Cincinnati. But while I don't think this is a conspiracy, I'm convinced that teams like Cincinnati and Iowa are darned please they don't have to play TCU or Boise.

[justintime]

I blame Utah for clocking Alabama last year. No cartel team wants to see that again. I think they were more or less forced to take TCU and BSU both given their season accomplishments, but did everything they could to protect the Iowa's and Cinci's of the world from another non-AQ beatdown. Next year, either TCU or BSU will start the season with the black mark "They never play anybody; they couldn't even beat another non-AQ school"

[NEVADAFan1997]

Essentially they decided to have a MWC/WAC championship game instead of a BCS game.

My thought on "keeping the little guy down" is just like they do in the NCAA BB tournament: pairing good mid-major programs early to clear the way for the bigger conferences powerhouses. This is what it smells like here. It may not be a conspiracy but putting the two on-AQ schools into the same game doesn't instill faith that non-AQ have a fair shake. As for the money, keep in mind if NEBRASKA or Oklahoma State wins the past two weeks Boise is outside looking in, again.

What is most frustrating is that these two teams played each other in a non-BCS bowl last year - why make the same matchup when the average fan doesn't want to see this game again? The only people that seem to like this move are the BCS apologists (Colin Cowherd for one), anyone that isn't in love with the BCS thinks this is a fishy move.

Also frustrating is the "well at least they included BSU" statement. Why should any non-AQ team just be happy being included? That is giving into the BCS legitimacy. Under this system no non-AQ school will ever win a national championship no matter how good they are. TCU deserves to be in the national championship, TEXAS barely (and shouldn't have) won their last game same with Cincy. TCU played the most consistent football all year. Just painful to watch a great team be disrespected.

I do think this move could be motivated by money. A TCU/BSU matchup almost guarantees it will be the least watched of the BCS games. Better to put all their bad ratings into one game rather than two I guess . . . then they make a case that the general public doesn't want to see non-AQ teams in the BCS. Okay now I'm going off the consipracy theory reservation :)

[justintime]

What does the board make of the Fiesta Bowl CEO's comments that this is a tribute to Boise and TCU, that it would've done them a disservice to place them against lesser opponents like Iowa?

They are ranked 4th and 6th.

[ord_buckeye]

I do think this move could be motivated by money. A TCU/BSU matchup almost guarantees it will be the least watched of the BCS games. Better to put all their bad ratings into one game rather than two I guess . . . then they make a case that the general public doesn't want to see non-AQ teams in the BCS. Okay now I'm going off the consipracy theory reservation :)

I don't think that's too conspiracy oriented. The bowls, beyond matching up 1 and 2 are about money (see: Notre Dame's recent selections). They have no obligation to be fair. In the bigger scheme of things, I do think the Fiesta, who could have 40K Iowa fans in town, took one for the team in a back room deal.

I do think that a non-AQ team could play for a NC. Had the season come down to two unbeatens: the Fla-Bama winner and TCU, I think TCU would have been put into the game.

And Cincy is BCS in name only. A late comer with no tradition, no following outside of the immediate metro area, a 35K stadium and sent only 12.5K to the Orange Bowl last year. No bowl was licking their chops and counting the dollars at getting Cincy.

[NEVADAFan1997]

What does the board make of the Fiesta Bowl CEO's comments that this is a tribute to Boise and TCU, that it would've done them a disservice to place them against lesser opponents like Iowa?

They are ranked 4th and 6th.

My thought? Promotional apologist crap.

[Front_Range_Pack]

The way to end the debate, of course, would be to have the BSU/TCU winner play the Texas/Alabama winner (I refuse to acknowledge the latter game as a 'championship'). Any way you slice it, we're going to have at least two--maybe three--undefeated teams at the end of the year, all of whom have a legitimate claim to a championship.

For my money, TCU has the most legitimate claim, provided they beat Boise. On a good day they could beat both Texas and Alabama. Not sure I'd say the same thing about Cincy or BSU.

[ord_buckeye]

For my money, TCU has the most legitimate claim, provided they beat Boise. On a good day they could beat both Texas and Alabama. Not sure I'd say the same thing about Cincy or BSU.

I agree that TCU could hang with Texas, although I believe that Texas wins 7 out of 10 based on depth. Alabama, however, would plunger rape TCU. Perhaps under a +1 system, we could all tune in the weekend before the Super Bowl and witness said plunger raping.

[Alanweezie]

I agree that TCU could hang with Texas, although I believe that Texas wins 7 out of 10 based on depth. Alabama, however, would plunger rape TCU. Perhaps under a +1 system, we could all tune in the weekend before the Super Bowl and witness said plunger raping.

Rivals and all but Auburn nearly beat bama. I think tcu is the best in the country until shown otherwise. Tx may beat bama--they have the D to do it. Depends on which O shows up.
After the initial shock for Boise and Frog fans at the pairing, we have gotten used to the idea. May be the best or second best bcs game. Frogs are traveling in numbers because they have never been to a bcs game. Boise is selling tickets like hot cakes. So maybe the Fiesta made a good pairing. Cincy would not likely travel to Glendale. Iowa would but they aren't very sexy. Would have loved to see tcu take on Florida.

Enjoy Hawaii.