Lord Gillenwater and Master McKines might play...

[Stuck in Seattle]

According to NMSU blogger Jason Groves: (http://bballgroves.blogspot.com/2009/12/wendell-mckines.html)

Prior to the Aggies game at UTEP, I asked Wendell about his academic status. He said that he had to appeal a grade and that he was trying to be patient.

I spoke with McKinley Boston today (Monday), who said that he hadn't heard anything official regarding McKines getting a grade changed and returning to the court sometime this week, either tonight or on Wednesday when the University closes down until after the holidays.

"I haven't heard anything official but I'm hopeful," Boston said.

Boston couldn't get into a specific student's academic situation, but he said "All students have the ability to work with a faculty member to appeal their academic issues. They are in that process as far as I know."

Gillenwater is also involved in an appeal process, but Boston couldn't go into specifics.

The sense that I've had since grades came out is that Troy's situation is more involved than Wendell's. But that's just my opinion.

I'd never claim that there's never been a Nevada athlete to receive special treatment. I don't know of specific cases but I'm sure it's happened. But if you're going to do it...this is not the way. Boston is an incompetent buffoon if this happens. Heck, he might be that anyway, but this would confirm it.

[RenoGuy]

Well, now we see McKinnes is back.

I'm guessing he got a chance to retake a test and got Gillenwater to sacrifice himself and take the test for him (got an A+).

The only reason Gillenwater was in trouble was he had to attend the Nobel Prize presentations during finals week.

[jwolfpack]

Bull$h1T....what a joke of a university no dignity whatsoever

[backsthepack]

Maybe we should let Vai appeal so he can play in the bowl game. Oh wait, Nevada cares about integrity in academics.

[Stuck in Seattle]

This is not just a black eye for NMSU. It's an embarrassment for the WAC.

[mustangs05]

Any college student can appeal a grade. It is legal.

[tahoe84]

Any college student can appeal a grade. It is legal.

They shouldn't have put themselves in the position where they would even need to appeal grades. If you show up, do your work, and put some effort in you can get by most classes with at least a C.

[backsthepack]

Exactly, the problem is they HAVE to appeal to be eligible. SO basically they needed that D bumped up to a C-?

[mustangs05]

Exactly, the problem is they HAVE to appeal to be eligible. SO basically they needed that D bumped up to a C-?


Or a C bumped to a B Or a B bumped to a A. We don't know the details. The professor wouldn't had bumped Wendell up a letter grade if he didn't deserve it. Everything that happen during the appeal process was between the professor and Wendell. Boston and Menzies had no say in the process. Wendell was declared eligible by a Eligibility Committee.

[backsthepack]

Or a C bumped to a B Or a B bumped to a A. We don't know the details. The professor wouldn't had bumped Wendell up a letter grade if he didn't deserve it. Everything that happen during the appeal process was between the professor, and Wendell. Boston, and Menzies had no say in the process. Wendell was cleared eligible by a Eligibility Committee.

Come on Frank, those bumps would not have been needed to be eligible. It had to be a D or F to a C.

[mustangs05]

Come on Frank, those bumps would not have been needed to be eligible. It had to be a D or F to a C.

The professor just didn't bump him up. I think the proffessor must of let him do some assignments. He turned them in, and that is why he got the passing grade. We really don't know the details.

[Stuck in Seattle]

The professor just didn't bump him up. I think the proffessor must of let him do some assignments. He turned them in, and that is why he got the passing grade. We really don't know the details.

You don't want to know the details. This stuff is actually pretty funny and my initial surprise was unwarranted. As long as Boston is in Las Cruces "All My Aggies" will be my favorite soap opera. McKines and Gillenwater are the modern day Luke and Laura.:)

[NVinVA]

My God, I'll never complain about Nevada's attendance again. I know people might be at Chistmas parties, students are gone, and they are playing a 0-11 team... but there is next to nobody at the NMSU game. I'm guessing 15 students from what I can see.

[NVinVA]

My God, I'll never complain about Nevada's attendance again. I know people might be at Chistmas parties, students are gone, and they are playing a 0-11 team... but there is next to nobody at the NMSU game. I'm guessing 15 students from what I can see.

Actually attendance is not as bad as I initially thought, still pretty bad. McKines is certainly helping them out, but that was to be expected.

[PackNation]

Frank, I thought you retired? From the NMSU board:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=242&f=2378&t=5290424

Check out the post by YesCubanB (10:08) this morning in honor of Frank.

[justintime]

Come on Frank, those bumps would not have been needed to be eligible. It had to be a D or F to a C.

Part of the NCAA eligibility guidelines include a 2.0 GPA average. If McKines was 18 credits behind (he was), then it seems reasonable that he might have needed to not only make up those 18 credits over summer/fall, but get better than a C average in those classes. Because of that, we may be talking about correcting a homework assignment to move from a 78 to an 81.

I can agree that this has a high shadiness potential and wouldn't begrudge rival WAC fans their black helicopter theories. FWIW, every student at NMSU has the opportunity to appeal grades prior to certification (first day of next semester) and at the discretion of the professor, can make up work. Yours truly did the very thing his sophomore year, trying to preserve his 4.0 after a B in Organic Chem and realizing he missed a homework while on a University sanctioned trip. I'd be surprised if Nevada or any other WAC institution didn't have similar policies in place for all students.

[Stuck in Seattle]

Part of the NCAA eligibility guidelines include a 2.0 GPA average. If McKines was 18 credits behind (he was), then it seems reasonable that he might have needed to not only make up those 18 credits over summer/fall, but get better than a C average in those classes. Because of that, we may be talking about correcting a homework assignment to move from a 78 to an 81.

I can agree that this has a high shadiness potential and wouldn't begrudge rival WAC fans their black helicopter theories. FWIW, every student at NMSU has the opportunity to appeal grades prior to certification (first day of next semester) and at the discretion of the professor, can make up work. Yours truly did the very thing his sophomore year, trying to preserve his 4.0 after a B in Organic Chem and realizing he missed a homework while on a University sanctioned trip. I'd be surprised if Nevada or any other WAC institution didn't have similar policies in place for all students.
I think we all realize that the proper procedures were followed. And there may have been no pressure from anyone, either direct or indirect. But if this were any other school that had been through what NMSU has been through over the last 4 years it would raise just as many eyebrows. It's gone from tragedy to farce, but it will be fun to watch Wen. And Gillenwater?

[Slapdad]

Or a C bumped to a B Or a B bumped to a A. We don't know the details. The professor wouldn't had bumped Wendell up a letter grade if he didn't deserve it. Everything that happen during the appeal process was between the professor and Wendell. Boston and Menzies had no say in the process. Wendell was declared eligible by a Eligibility Committee.

Conversely, the professor wouldn't have given Wendell a lower letter grade initially if he didn't deserve it. I'm guessing the professor got the screws turned on him.

[Blueblood]

I think we all realize that the proper procedures were followed. And there may have been no pressure from anyone, either direct or indirect. But if this were any other school that had been through what NMSU has been through over the last 4 years it would raise just as many eyebrows. It's gone from tragedy to farce, but it will be fun to watch Wen. And Gillenwater?

Part of the NCAA eligibility guidelines include a 2.0 GPA average. If McKines was 18 credits behind (he was), then it seems reasonable that he might have needed to not only make up those 18 credits over summer/fall, but get better than a C average in those classes. Because of that, we may be talking about correcting a homework assignment to move from a 78 to an 81.

I can agree that this has a high shadiness potential and wouldn't begrudge rival WAC fans their black helicopter theories. FWIW, every student at NMSU has the opportunity to appeal grades prior to certification (first day of next semester) and at the discretion of the professor, can make up work. Yours truly did the very thing his sophomore year, trying to preserve his 4.0 after a B in Organic Chem and realizing he missed a homework while on a University sanctioned trip. I'd be surprised if Nevada or any other WAC institution didn't have similar policies in place for all students.

To add to SiS's comment, I think what's surprising to me is how fast the turnaround time was to get these grades changed - especially around the holiday season. I've never gone through the process but knowing how bureaucratic state universities are, it's hard for me to believe this kind of efficiency is standard procedure for all students.