Bye bye HAN

[thevoice]

It's official. We split with Long Beach next year and it moves for good in 2012. This really sucks financially.

http://www.labusinessjournal.com/news/2010/jul/05/ready-roll/

[wolf_chatter]

It's official. We split with Long Beach next year and it moves for good in 2012. This really sucks financially.

http://www.labusinessjournal.com/news/2010/jul/05/ready-roll/

Reno, Sparks and Washoe all had their hands out. If HAN can make more money elsewhere good for them. Capitalism at its finest.

[AJ fan]

It's official. We split with Long Beach next year and it moves for good in 2012. This really sucks financially.

http://www.labusinessjournal.com/news/2010/jul/05/ready-roll/

Wow that will be a big effing hit and couldn't come at a worse time. I loved the cars but the crowd that it brought was becoming less and less desirable. The original 50's crowd is entering the dying years and the gangbangers that have taken their place are just scum

[Stuck in Seattle]

And Reno continues it's long standing policy of making short sighted and self destructive financial decisions. The city is nothing if not consistent.

[wolf_chatter]

And Reno continues it's long standing policy of making short sighted and self destructive financial decisions. The city is nothing if not consistent.

You would think the casinos would kick in to save it? But then they do everything they can to keep downtown Reno a bum infested dhithole so I guess not.

[Stuck in Seattle]

You would think the casinos would kick in to save it? But then they do everything they can to keep downtown Reno a bum infested dhithole so I guess not.
Back in the day the casinos fought against each other on a lot things. They were idiots. Now, I think that's not really the case. But how much did the city make in taxes on the rooms, gambling and in sales tax if this event was $350million in economic activity? To extend this even farther, how much future good will does Reno lose now that these people have one fewer reason to come to town? Events give the region great exposure and encourage future trips for outdoor activities, entertainment or gambling. No longer though.

[RenoGuy]

Very surprising to me! The event has been at Reno for so long that I assumed it was owned and operated by the casinos.

[backsthepack]

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100706/NEWS/100706045 RGJ reporting that the report is false.

[battle.borne]

downtown Reno a bum infested dhithole

It's better today than it was 10 years ago, or 5 years, or last year.

[wolf_chatter]

It's better today than it was 10 years ago, or 5 years, or last year.

but after having seen how many other cities have turned their downtown areas around it is hard to not look at ours with a very critical eye BB. The bigger issues is it seems like the Casino's call all the shots and so far they araen't so big into turning downtown reno into anything other than a gambling hall.

[wolf_chatter]

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100706/NEWS/100706045 RGJ reporting that the report is false.

They don't want all the bad publicity. I would guess that HAN moving is pretty solid. How do you miscommunicate something that big?

[Slapdad]

They don't want all the bad publicity. I would guess that HAN moving is pretty solid. How do you miscommunicate something that big?

I think it's safe to say that it's not going away. I love this quote by Cashell:

“If it’s true, I’ve been misled, and (Sparks Mayor) Geno (Martini) has been misled,” Cashell said. “I think it’s terrible. I am one hot tamale right now".

Reminds me of something this guy would say:

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Zoolander/will_ferrell_zoolander_002.jpg

[wolf_chatter]

I think it's safe to say that it's not going away. I love this quote by Cashell:

“If it’s true, I’ve been misled, and (Sparks Mayor) Geno (Martini) has been misled,” Cashell said. “I think it’s terrible. I am one hot tamale right now".

Reminds me of something this guy would say:

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Zoolander/will_ferrell_zoolander_002.jpg

I have got to imagine that it will seriously dent the participation in the the Reno-Sparks HAN?

[Slapdad]

I have got to imagine that it will seriously dent the participation in the the Reno-Sparks HAN?

But if the decision is between continuing on as is, without the increased source of revenue in order to save the event and not being able to continue the event at all, then I think they made the right decision. This will at least allow them some time to figure out where to go from here.

[Stuck in Seattle]

But if the decision is between continuing on as is, without the increased source of revenue in order to save the event and not being able to continue the event at all, then I think they made the right decision. This will at least allow them some time to figure out where to go from here.
Unless of course the multiplier effect of the money that was dumped in the community actually generated more in overall tax revenue than was needed by police and fire to actually work the event. In that case there will be a net loss in tax revenue related to overall annual expenditures even though the event is canceled.

And I suspect this may be the case. This is a possible example of how one can put a business or economy into a downward spiral of their own creation. Cut an event...show a one time cost savings HOORAY!...lose long term revenue...cut services or layoff employees...repeat...

[Stuck in Seattle]

but after having seen how many other cities have turned their downtown areas around it is hard to not look at ours with a very critical eye BB. The bigger issues is it seems like the Casino's call all the shots and so far they araen't so big into turning downtown reno into anything other than a gambling hall.
Sorry, but I see lots of problems with this line of reasoning. The city can buy out the stressed properties and create something different. They aren't doing it. What do you expect the owners of the the property downtown to do...just give it to the city for free?

There are closed and dying businesses all over down there. Only the city or outside business interests can change that. The casinos are just struggling to survive and I doubt they'd put up a fight if the city demolished the old buildings, ran the bums out of town, built up more parks and added shopping and such. But look how long it took just to demolish the old Mapes. And that wasn't due to casino interests. That was idiots that loved the old building.

[wolf_chatter]

Sorry, but I see lots of problems with this line of reasoning. The city can buy out the stressed properties and create something different. They aren't doing it. What do you expect the owners of the the property downtown to do...just give it to the city for free?

There are closed and dying businesses all over down there. Only the city or outside business interests can change that. The casinos are just struggling to survive and I doubt they'd put up a fight if the city demolished the old buildings, ran the bums out of town, built up more parks and added shopping and such. But look how long it took just to demolish the old Mapes. And that wasn't due to casino interests. That was idiots that loved the old building.

I didn't say it was free or even cheap. I just said other cities made the investment because they didn't have a cartel of a few businesses (casinos) running their downtowns.
The truth of the matter now is they killed themsleves by fighting development in the 80'-90's and not building casino's that draw people beyond the mom's and pop's nickle-dime players. Vegas is a dump but they did one thing right and thats build a destination not just a casino. Reno just doesn't seem to get it. Never has really. The Aces Stadium is the first thing they have done right since knocking down the Mapes (finally!!!) Now they just need to start with the rest of D-town.

[Stuck in Seattle]

I didn't say it was free or even cheap. I just said other cities made the investment because they didn't have a cartel of a few businesses (casinos) running their downtowns.
The truth of the matter now is they killed themsleves by fighting development in the 80'-90's and not building casino's that draw people beyond the mom's and pop's nickle-dime players. Vegas is a dump but they did one thing right and thats build a destination not just a casino. Reno just doesn't seem to get it. Never has really. The Aces Stadium is the first thing they have done right since knocking down the Mapes (finally!!!) Now they just need to start with the rest of D-town.

Most of downtown is not controlled by casinos. There are probably more of them closed than still open, then there are the small motels, pawn shops and other small businesses...many of which are closed or struggling. The casinos are not stopping the city from improving the downtown...the city doesn't have the money nor have they come up with a comprehensive plan to bring in businesses to buy the property and build something different. Gaming is gone and not coming back. The casinos are not the bad guy at this point. They are a vital business sector for the economy, and anything done to make downtown more attractive will benefit those casinos.

Then again, I doubt GSR, the Peppermill or Atlantis want anything done with the downtown area - that would not be to their benefit. But I doubt that's what's clogging the system. It's all about CASH! And the city doesn't have it.

[wolf_chatter]

Most of downtown is not controlled by casinos. There are probably more of them closed than still open, then there are the small motels, pawn shops and other small businesses...many of which are closed or struggling. The casinos are not stopping the city from improving the downtown...the city doesn't have the money nor have they come up with a comprehensive plan to bring in businesses to buy the property and build something different. Gaming is gone and not coming back. The casinos are not the bad guy at this point. They are a vital business sector for the economy, and anything done to make downtown more attractive will benefit those casinos.

Then again, I doubt GSR, the Peppermill or Atlantis want anything done with the downtown area - that would not be to their benefit. But I doubt that's what's clogging the system. It's all about CASH! And the city doesn't have it.

When Reno did have the money, from what I understand from many people associated with downtown renovation issues in the late 80's and 90's the big casino's did everything they could to stop any such thing from happening unless it directly benefitd them. Bowling stadium ring a bell? Backed by the people that would make the most money.. Casinos.

Casino's may no longer play a vital role in Reno but at one point they were king and the king didn't let anyone else play in their city.

[Blueblood]

Then again, I doubt GSR, the Peppermill or Atlantis want anything done with the downtown area - that would not be to their benefit. But I doubt that's what's clogging the system. It's all about CASH! And the city doesn't have it.

Which is why it's so important to diversify your economy and I think Las Vegas will find this out sooner or later if/when other states start legalizing gambling beyond Indian reservations. In this regard, that's why I thought the *** gateway master plan (http://www.***.edu/news/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5212&zoneid=14) was such a good idea because it brought the University and the city's employers that much closer together and it was this quote by President Glick that really stuck with me when I first read about it because it reminds me of San Diego and how closely intertwined the 3 major universities are with the huge Biotech industry here;

“One of our goals is to blur the lines between campus and community, so the community understands the benefits we bring and so we can respond to the needs of the community,” Glick said. “The creation of a new gateway would literally blur these lines. This is especially relevant in terms of the economy and what we can contribute with research as well as building a workforce suited to the economic development needs of the 21st century."

“We must engage our surrounding communities through discovery and learning and innovative ways of doing things. As our community grows and as our campus evolves, it should become increasingly more difficult to tell where one ends and the other begins.”

I will say this though, downtown Reno is head and shoulders above what it used to be when I was growing up there 15-20 years ago. I think Reno is on the right track but what I don't understand is why the businesses aren't flocking to Reno when Nevada is supposedly one of the most business-friendly states in the US as far as taxes go?

[Stuck in Seattle]

Which is why it's so important to diversify your economy and I think Las Vegas will find this out sooner or later if/when other states start legalizing gambling beyond Indian reservations. In this regard, that's why I thought the *** gateway master plan (http://www.***.edu/news/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5212&zoneid=14) was such a good idea because it brought the University and the city's employers that much closer together and it was this quote by President Glick that really stuck with me when I first read about it because it reminds me of San Diego and how closely intertwined the 3 major universities are with the huge Biotech industry here;



I will say this though, downtown Reno is head and shoulders above what it used to be when I was growing up there 15-20 years ago. I think Reno is on the right track but what I don't understand is why the businesses aren't flocking to Reno when Nevada is supposedly one of the most business-friendly states in the US as far as taxes go?
The downtown is definitely far better than in the past and I think it began with tearing down the Mapes and then the construction of the Riverwalk. The Gateway would clean up the other end. Circus, Eldo and the Silver Legacy anchor the north central part, but between there and 2nd (and most everything west of Sierra) is mostly blight. I heard that the CalNeva may go under thus adding to that situation. But perhaps chiseling away at it from both ends is the way to remake the entire thing.

Complaining about the short sighted policies of what was the dominant industry back in the 80s solves nothing ('Chatter). Right now we need to conserve or expand what tourism we have while transitioning to a more diversified economy and a vibrant downtown corridor.

[wolf_chatter]

The downtown is definitely far better than in the past and I think it began with tearing down the Mapes and then the construction of the Riverwalk. The Gateway would clean up the other end. Circus, Eldo and the Silver Legacy anchor the north central part, but between there and 2nd (and most everything west of Sierra) is mostly blight. I heard that the CalNeva may go under thus adding to that situation. But perhaps chiseling away at it from both ends is the way to remake the entire thing.

Complaining about the short sighted policies of what was the dominant industry back in the 80s solves nothing ('Chatter). Right now we need to conserve or expand what tourism we have while transitioning to a more diversified economy and a vibrant downtown corridor.

The problem now is... Reno is broke.. now we don't have the funds to do anything like we wanted to do in the past. As far as transitioning I know that Reno has been trying for years (warehousing, microsoft, etc...) but it still isn't enough. Fixing downtown is a start, not an end all be all solution, by any means but a good one none-the-less.