Big Ten Expansion

[chriswebb86]

According to Andy Katz Twiter feed, the Big Ten should be putting out a plan today of how they are going to go about expanding. I think this could end up having an effect on other conferences!

[SolPlyr]

It usually does. For example, if they took Notre Dame, the Big East would then most likely go after someone else, etc.

[newpackcity]

I think Mizzou could be that team, espcially with the big television markets in KC and St. Louis...Nebraska would be the most logical choice, but not a ton of TV's...

[buzzt14]

I can't see how why they would take another BCS school. Not so much that already taking that school would be a bad thing but i don't see how or why a team like Missouri would want to jump ship. A team to me that would make since if they got their football program back up and and competing for double digit wins every year would be Marshall. Especially with their history.

[NevadaFan]

I can't see how why they would take another BCS school. Not so much that already taking that school would be a bad thing but i don't see how or why a team like Missouri would want to jump ship. A team to me that would make since if they got their football program back up and and competing for double digit wins every year would be Marshall. Especially with their history.

Marshall? To the Big 10? Seriously?

I think it's be Syracuse or Rutgers. They have to covet the NY market more than the midwest which they already dominate.

[newpackcity]

Marshall? To the Big 10? Seriously?

I think it's be Syracuse or Rutgers. They have to covet the NY market more than the midwest which they already dominate.

That's also what I heard today too...It will definitely be a BCS school which will cause everything to shake up and make room for a non-AQ to get in somewhere...I can see why Mizzou would want to leave as the Big 12 is so Texas and Oklahoma dominated...It will be very interesting to see how this all shakes up...

[Packmike]

I think its Pitt or Rutgers - find a natural geographic rival for Penn State, which is kind of the Big Ten outlier right now...

[Blueblood]

I think its Pitt or Rutgers - find a natural geographic rival for Penn State, which is kind of the Big Ten outlier right now...

I agree with this. Pitt brings good football and a natural rivalry w/Penn St and Rutgers would bring decent football with a huge market.

[buzzt14]

Marshall? To the Big 10? Seriously?

I think it's be Syracuse or Rutgers. They have to covet the NY market more than the midwest which they already dominate.

Well if it was Marshall from the early part of this decade that was producing NFL first round talent left and right, but i know right now they aren't even close to what they used to be. I couldn't see Syracuse leaving the Big East, they are a basketball school, wouldn't be to smart for them to leave arguably the best basketball confrence in the country for the 4th or 5th best. Rutgers maybe, they haven't really defined themselves one way or another yet.

[NevadaFan]

Well if it was Marshall from the early part of this decade that was producing NFL first round talent left and right, but i know right now they aren't even close to what they used to be. I couldn't see Syracuse leaving the Big East, they are a basketball school, wouldn't be to smart for them to leave arguably the best basketball confrence in the country for the 4th or 5th best. Rutgers maybe, they haven't really defined themselves one way or another yet.

Syracuse would have left the Big East for the ACC had it been extended an invitation. It would leave the bloated Big East for the Big 10 in a New York second.

[buzzt14]

Syracuse would have left the Big East for the ACC had it been extended an invitation. It would leave the bloated Big East for the Big 10 in a New York second.

The ACC is on par with the Big East as far as basketball, and probably football too at this point, so it would have made some sense for them to do that. But I just don't see what they would gain by going to an expanded Big 10. They would be going to a lesser baskeball confrence which is their main sport, plus they are already a last place football team in the Big East, they would just fall further behind the teams of the Big 10.

[rimrocker26]

I definitely think they'll choose Rutgers or Missouri. This still could just be a ploy to draw Notre Dame though. I hope its Rutgers, as if they add Missouri it could potentially have good or bad affects for the WAC/MWC.

[Pack Backer]

I definitely think they'll choose Rutgers or Missouri. This still could just be a ploy to draw Notre Dame though. I hope its Rutgers, as if they add Missouri it could potentially have good or bad affects for the WAC/MWC.

The Notre Dame ship sailed a long time ago, and unless something radically changes they're not joining the Big Ten. Why abandon a lucrative exclusive contract with NBC and all of those special BCS perks to join a conference where you'd have to share your winnings?

[backsthepack]

Pitt is the ONLY logical choice, strong in football and baskeyball, it's the jewel of the Big East.

[Stuck in Seattle]

Pitt is the ONLY logical choice, strong in football and baskeyball, it's the jewel of the Big East.

Pitt makes a lot of sense, as does Missouri. Also, I read somewhere that the Big10 is a richer conference than the Big 12 so it would make financial sense for Mizzou if Pitt declines. I just don't understand why Pitt would decline.

[oldballcoach]

I think Alvarez is blowing smoke. Unless there were broader changes I can't see this happening.

[NevadaFan]

I think Alvarez is blowing smoke. Unless there were broader changes I can't see this happening.

You probably should read the official release from the Big 10.

[jwolfpack]

You probably should read the official release from the Big 10.


My hope is that the Big 10 takes Mizzou and that probably means the big 12 will snatch up TCU and then the MT west makes a move to add Nevada,Boise,Fresno and Houston


Got to get out of the WAC, Nevada would thrive in a BCS conference

[oldballcoach]

I never said Locker was going to the NFL, but if he wanted to he would have been a top 5 pick. Also never disputed the big 10 will eventually go to 12 teams, just said it wouldn't happen without other things falling in line. What is your problem?

[backsthepack]

My hope is that the Big 10 takes Mizzou and that probably means the big 12 will snatch up TCU and then the MT west makes a move to add Nevada,Boise,Fresno and Houston


Got to get out of the WAC, Nevada would thrive in a BCS conference
Or, Big XII takes up Arkansas, SEC Clemson, ACC Pitt, Big East Conf-USA(Memphis?), Conf USA takes La Tech.

[nwp2]

There was an interesting twist I saw on the WAC board. It's from collegesportsinfo.com

I doubt the Big East has the stones to tell Notre Dame to join for football or leave, does the Big East really need Notre Dame for basketball?

One interesting aspect of this is Notre Dame and it's membership in the Big East. The Big East could solve their own problem and protect themselves from losing Syracuse, Rutgers or Pitt. The Big East could give Notre Dame an ultimatum: join for all sports or leave. It seems harsh. But it would leave Notre Dame with 3 choices:

1) Join the Big Ten
2) Join the Big East for all sports
3) Keep football independent and join the A10 or MVC for all other sports

It would be a bold move by the Big East, but it would force Notre Dame's hand. Let's face it: Notre Dame would pass on joining the Big East for football. But it's likely that if given the options of the Big Ten for all-sports or remaining independent and forced to join the A10 or MVC...Notre Dame would choose the Big Ten.

[SolPlyr]

My hope is that the Big 10 takes Mizzou and that probably means the big 12 will snatch up TCU and then the MT west makes a move to add Nevada,Boise,Fresno and Houston


Got to get out of the WAC, Nevada would thrive in a BCS conference

I agree that we need to get out of the WAC. But I have one problem with the whole thing. If the good teams leave the WAC for the MWC, does the WAC then become like the Big West did after we left. Granted, the Big West had a bunch of non-football playing schools. My point being that after the conference merry-go-round, does the MWC of the future become the WAC of the present, and then we're having this same conversation 7-10 years down the road?

[newpackcity]

I doubt the Big East has the stones to tell Notre Dame to join for football or leave, does the Big East really need Notre Dame for basketball?

The question I would ask about those two sentences would be, does the Big East really need Providence, Seton Hall, Villanova or St. John's just for basketball? I would say definitely not, but the Big East gains nothing from the scenario you just pointed out and they still make plenty of money off of ND, so they would never do that to begin with...

[ord_buckeye]

I can't see how why they would take another BCS school. Not so much that already taking that school would be a bad thing but i don't see how or why a team like Missouri would want to jump ship..

Money. The Big Ten Netowrk. Increased academic visibility, particularly at the graduate/research level through the CIC.

[jwolfpack]

I agree that we need to get out of the WAC. But I have one problem with the whole thing. If the good teams leave the WAC for the MWC, does the WAC then become like the Big West did after we left. Granted, the Big West had a bunch of non-football playing schools. My point being that after the conference merry-go-round, does the MWC of the future become the WAC of the present, and then we're having this same conversation 7-10 years down the road?

I dont think so, Lets go with my scenario that big 10 take mizzou, big 12 takes TCU, and then the MWC takes Nevada, Boise,Fresno and Houston to make a 12 team BCS school. I think that would Make the MWC on par with the Big East, ACC and Maybe the big 10... Football wise the TCU - Boise swap would be a wash....but adding nevada, fresno and houston would enhance the conference. Losing the dallas market would hurt, that why I think they pick up houston which I would place at the Nevada level of being on the verge of becoming a top 25 FB and BB program.

[ord_buckeye]

The other side of this to look at, particularly as it might relate to Nevada, is how does the affect Pac 10 planning. Big Ten and Pac 10 rarely don't coordinate their positions on anything to do with the bowl system, BCS etc. Does the P10 sit back and wait for the Big Ten's ultimate decision, then move itself to 12 teams and a CCG?

[NevadaFan]

The other side of this to look at, particularly as it might relate to Nevada, is how does the affect Pac 10 planning. Big Ten and Pac 10 rarely don't coordinate their positions on anything to do with the bowl system, BCS etc. Does the P10 sit back and wait for the Big Ten's ultimate decision, then move itself to 12 teams and a CCG?

I am just hopeful it affects BYU and Utah. I would love for those two programs to be gobbled up by one of the BCS conferences, because Nevada is immediately relevant with any other program left standing in the MWC and WAC. No longer would our fortunes be attached to five programs (Wyo, CSU, AFA, BYU and Utah). Instead, Nevada, Fresno and Boise could help direct the future of our programs with UNLV, SDSU, etc.

[rimrocker26]

If Missouri goes to the Big Ten. Than the Big 12 will take BYU, not TCU. They add so much more and were one of the charter members of the Big 12 but the Texas government forced Baylor.

And IMO if the Big Ten went the 12, than there is a good chance the pac ten would. Which between loosing BYU and 1/2 other schools the MWC would be done.

Thats why we need the Big Ten to take Rutgers not Missouri. It would be a better choice anyways.

[PackBlue]

If the Big 10 takes a big east school, then I think Big East grabs Memphis and C-USA grabs La Tech, and the WAC grabs ????

If the Big 10 Grabs a Big 12 school, The Big 12 grabs TCU, the MWC grabs BSU and Nevada/Fresno State/Houston, The WAC Grabs ???

Who does the WAC grab if La Tech goes C-USA? Montana, Davis, Sac State, Portland, Portland State Cal Poly SLO, Weber State, Pacific? I would like the WAC to stay at 8 in football and add Pacific and Davis for all other sports.

[backsthepack]

Big 10: Missouri
Pac 10: Colorado and Utah
Big XII: Arkansas and TCU
SEC: Clemson
ACC: Pitt
Big East: Memphis
Conf USA: La tech
MWC: Nevada and Boise
WAC: UC-Davis, Montana, Montana State

[ord_buckeye]

I am just hopeful it affects BYU and Utah. I would love for those two programs to be gobbled up by one of the BCS conferences, because Nevada is immediately relevant with any other program left standing in the MWC and WAC. No longer would our fortunes be attached to five programs (Wyo, CSU, AFA, BYU and Utah). Instead, Nevada, Fresno and Boise could help direct the future of our programs with UNLV, SDSU, etc.

Only option for BYU, imo, is the Big 12, which has a similar institution in Baylor.

While the Pac10 does not have the formal academic arm that the Big Ten does, I have a very hard time seeing the Presidents of Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Washington allowing a school with the serious hisotry of academic freedom issues (censored by the AAUP) to affiliate.

[geezer1]

I think their first choice would be ND, and if they get stiffed again they will turn to - Iowa State. Syracuse would be a good fit, too.

[ord_buckeye]

No way on Iowa State. Doesn't expand the Big Ten's footprint, doesn't turn on any television sets and doesn't add anything academically to the CIC.

The Big Ten decision making process is going to be as follows. The athletic depratments will be consulted. The faculties will have veto power, and the Presidents will vote on it.

[NevadaConvert]

Only option for BYU, imo, is the Big 12, which has a similar institution in Baylor.

While the Pac10 does not have the formal academic arm that the Big Ten does, I have a very hard time seeing the Presidents of Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Washington allowing a school with the serious hisotry of academic freedom issues (censored by the AAUP) to affiliate.

Oh man, there's just no chance at all that BYU would ever end up in the P-10. Lots of reasons.