General Pershing's answer to Jihadists

[battle.borne]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e32/retsone/generalpershing.jpg

[wolf_chatter]

But I would go one step further and just murder every single Muslim in the world! Why mess around. I think you and I agree that all Muslims, women, children and men are worthless murdering scumbags. I say f em all and lets murder, rape and pillage the Muslim world until the sand is red with the blood and guts of all the Muslims in the world.

[shewolf11]

But I would go one step further and just murder every single Muslim in the world! Why mess around. I think you and I agree that all Muslims, women, children and men are worthless murdering scumbags. I say f em all and lets murder, rape and pillage the Muslim world until the sand is red with the blood and guts of all the Muslims in the world.

For the sake of humanity I sincerely hope you are not serious. It's difficult for me to tell the candor of men, especially via Internet.

[Stuck in Seattle]

I read a report that the Russians captured some of their home grown Muslim terrorists and after executing them they buried them encased in the hide of freshly skinned hogs.

Pershing had the right idea and terrorists are a reason the Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed soldiers of a government. If we'd let the military do their job this whole thing would be a lot easier.

I don't know what 'Chatter had for breakfast, but I don't want any. Chatter, decaf. Stat!

[shewolf11]

Seriously! Who pissed in your cheerios, buddy? I personally make thee greatest breakfasts known to man so I invite you over for peace and deliciousness.

[Posturedoc]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e32/retsone/generalpershing.jpg

I'm always disappointed when I receive silly emails like this from my conservative friends. I generally ignore them, but those that I find egregious examples of black and white thinking, as I do the one above, prompt a reply. Fact checking should be the rule, not the exception when sending around or posting stuff like this. I did a simple check on Snopes, where they found the information in this 'biographical poster' to be unproven. They didn't entirely rule out what it claims, but they did produce multiple examples of letters and conversations with Pershing from that time that indicated this is not the sort of policy he pursued in the Philippines. Here is the first paragraph plus of the Snopes entry, which sums up my thoughts on this type of information, followed by the link to the fairly extensive Snopes entry, which is worth reading for any who would like a different view on Pershing in the Philippines.

Origins: The desire for simplistic solutions to complex problems has spawned several widely-circulated messages of late which seek to transform a fight against terrorism to the easily-manageable level of a horror film or comic strip. Today's popular notion is the concept that a pig is to a Muslim as a crucifix is to a vampire - simply arm yourself with a porker, and you can use it to render even the most fanatical terrorist helpless, sending him cowering in fear lest he come into contact with anything porcine.

Such notions reduce an extremely widespread and diverse religion - and the people who follow it - to a monolithic entity with a single set of beliefs and rules to which everyone adheres.

Snopes on Pershing in the Philippines (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp)

I tried other fact-checking sources to flesh out my rebuttal but neither Factcheck.org, Politifact.com nor Truthorfiction.com had any information regarding this claim - at least none I was able to find in my fairly simple search of each site.

[wolf_chatter]

For the sake of humanity I sincerely hope you are not serious. It's difficult for me to tell the candor of men, especially via Internet.

Clearly I am not serious. If you knew me you would know that. I don't agree with the policy of becoming a terrorist to defeat a terrorist. I was making fun of BB usuall right wing propaganda bullshit.

[shewolf11]

I was making fun of BB usuall right wing propaganda bullshit.

OK- I forgive you.

[battle.borne]

But I would go one step further and just murder every single Muslim in the world! Why mess around. I think you and I agree that all Muslims, women, children and men are worthless murdering scumbags. I say f em all and lets murder, rape and pillage the Muslim world until the sand is red with the blood and guts of all the Muslims in the world.

I don't support the murder of anybody, Chatter. Unless they have murdered innocents or wish to do harm to me, my family, my country, or my college football team! :)

[SolPlyr]

How great is this? BB posts a picture and all the liberals come out and bitch, moan and complain about it. Would you guys like some cheese with that whine?

[thehowling]

I've always rather enjoyed the thought of this kind of deterrent to muslim extremist terrorism but Posturedoc is correct, the validity of it is shaky.

[Posturedoc]

I've always rather enjoyed the thought of this kind of deterrent to muslim extremist terrorism but Posturedoc is correct, the validity of it is shaky.

That's just it, howling; these types of messages always contain an appeal to our emotions and our sense of outrage that rings true or at least resonates with a many of us. The problem is that many, most or sometimes all of the actual "facts" deployed by their creators are made up.

It happens on every side of the political spectrum and in pretty much every belief circle. I stated "conservative friends" in my initial post on this thread and I really should have stated "friends" period, regardless of political beliefs, since emails with emotional appeals and manufactured truths that are likely to appeal to liberals/progressives are all over the place as well. It just happens that most of the folks who send this type of stuff to me are conservative and this particular piece is far more likely to appeal to a conservative than it is a peace-preferring progressive.

[Posturedoc]

How great is this? BB posts a picture and all the liberals come out and bitch, moan and complain about it. Would you guys like some cheese with that whine?

I take it the sentiments defined in that picture, regardless of there veracity, meet with your approval? Tell us why. If you can offer something other than a knee-jerk complaint about someone who disagrees with what I find to be a simpleton's (not BB, the creator of the picture in question) solution to a complex problem, I'd be interested in reading it.

[SolPlyr]

I haven't seen the picture since I have a webfilter at work that blocks that site. With that said, I took the whole thing to be tounge-in-cheek and not meant to be the tragedy that some of you are portraying it to be.

[Posturedoc]

I haven't seen the picture since I have a webfilter at work that blocks that site. With that said, I took the whole thing to be tounge-in-cheek and not meant to be the tragedy that some of you are portraying it to be.

Pretty tough to comment on something that obviously irritated some folks when you haven't even seen the offending item, wouldn't you say?

For myself, I guess I've just seen too many of these types of emotionally appealing emails/generalizations to ignore them anymore, so I like to poke holes in them, especially when they are posted on a public forum. I'm not a black and white thinker, so simple and often extreme solutions to what are usually complex situations are rarely satisfactory to me. I find it even more perplexing that folks can support extreme positions without first digging for truth. The position taken by the picture and its text defines an extreme position and one that appears likely to be inaccurate. Once accuracy is established, one can debate beliefs until the cows come home with little likelihood of changing opinions. Accuracy was my primary complaint here, not belief.

[battle.borne]

That's just it, howling; these types of messages always contain an appeal to our emotions and our sense of outrage that rings true or at least resonates with a many of us. The problem is that many, most or sometimes all of the actual "facts" deployed by their creators are made up.

It happens on every side of the political spectrum and in pretty much every belief circle. I stated "conservative friends" in my initial post on this thread and I really should have stated "friends" period, regardless of political beliefs, since emails with emotional appeals and manufactured truths that are likely to appeal to liberals/progressives are all over the place as well. It just happens that most of the folks who send this type of stuff to me are conservative and this particular piece is far more likely to appeal to a conservative than it is a peace-preferring progressive.

They are trying to get you to bat for the other team! :D

[Posturedoc]

They are trying to get you to bat for the other team! :D

I'm sure that's what some of the hope. Others just like to see what I'll come up with as a response. I'm sure they giggle at my indignant replies, especially since it probably takes them about three seconds to send me those gems and requires several minutes and sometimes more for me to formulate a properly scathing reply. Heaven forbid I have to do some research before I reply because I might be in for more than a half hour of work just to rebut something most of them know is a bunch of BS anyway.

I'm just grateful that I can have civil conversations with my conservative friends and we can tease each other about our dearly held beliefs and maybe even learn something from each other if we are willing to put some of those beliefs to the test of actual fact-checking and historical performance, though the latter is subject to so many variables it's hard to accurately determine if some ideas really work because the theory(ies) behind them are correct or because of some combination of variables allowed them to appear to work......sorry, I'm getting carried away.

[Nosebleed]

I have no problem with general Pershing's approach to dealing with Muslim extremists. You are fighting an enemy that is seeking glory in the afterlife. I say kill them or collect the pieces remaining after they have blown themselves up and then bury their asses toward heaven so they can never get to their virgins reward.

Enough of this warm and fuzzy chit. Deal with them and deal with them harshly.

Rick