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wolf_chatter
12-08-2009, 01:20 PM
I think we need to find a little extra cash from our bowl trip to sweeten the pot in order to get a good one. While NB was a nice guy I wasn't particularly fond of our Defense under his tenure. I wish him luck at Portland St. as he is going to need it. I think we need to find a DC / HC in waiting sorta like the deal they had at FSU with Bowden. I think you get a great prospect and give him 2-3 under Ault to get the offense down and let him prove he can coach a defense into the mid 50-70 range and then give him the reigns.
Go Pack
12-08-2009, 01:34 PM
I agree we need to get a good one, but you don't make someone the apparent heir to the throne until he has proved himself after a couple years.
battle.borne
12-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Where is Burton's press release regarding his departure? I'm curious to see what his comments are about Nevada now that he is gone....
Go Pack
12-08-2009, 01:40 PM
My guess is that Coach Ault will have good things to say about Coach Burton and Burton will have good things to say about Nevada. You know "this was too good of an opportunity to pass up" .....yata yata yata. Go Pack
Stuck in Seattle
12-08-2009, 03:58 PM
I think we need to find a little extra cash from our bowl trip to sweeten the pot in order to get a good one. While NB was a nice guy I wasn't particularly fond of our Defense under his tenure. I wish him luck at Portland St. as he is going to need it. I think we need to find a DC / HC in waiting sorta like the deal they had at FSU with Bowden. I think you get a great prospect and give him 2-3 under Ault to get the offense down and let him prove he can coach a defense into the mid 50-70 range and then give him the reigns.
Yeah, that's just what Mastro, Klenakis and everyone wants to hear. Some FNG that has yet to prove himself is promised the HC job in two years when they've been here 10 years? That's like telling them to get while the getting is good 'cause you aren't good enough to be the man.
wolf_chatter
12-08-2009, 06:37 PM
Yeah, that's just what Mastro, Klenakis and everyone wants to hear. Some FNG that has yet to prove himself is promised the HC job in two years when they've been here 10 years? That's like telling them to get while the getting is good 'cause you aren't good enough to be the man.
Well they have been here 10 years and from what I can tell Burton was brought in as the "heir apparent" Burton was here a couple of years and got an HC job. Seems to me maybe Coach K and M are maybe not the types to be HC's. And if they want to get then move along. Maybe AWP can let us know if there are any schools enquiring about either coach.
Stuck in Seattle
12-08-2009, 08:01 PM
Well they have been here 10 years and from what I can tell Burton was brought in as the "heir apparent" Burton was here a couple of years and got an HC job. Seems to me maybe Coach K and M are maybe not the types to be HC's. And if they want to get then move along. Maybe AWP can let us know if there are any schools enquiring about either coach.
Other than a few posters on this board, and I don't mean ones with inside knowledge, I never saw anyone say he was the heir apparent. That's pure baseless speculation. Did he meet the expectations of a single Pack fan? I don't think so. DeRuyter may have had a shot. And if we're going to speculate, I'd guess coach K or Mastro could get a 1AA HC job at a losing program. Especially coach K with his resume. If you're going to promise someone the HC job they have to be a proven commodity.
wolf_chatter
12-09-2009, 07:59 AM
Other than a few posters on this board, and I don't mean ones with inside knowledge, I never saw anyone say he was the heir apparent. That's pure baseless speculation. Did he meet the expectations of a single Pack fan? I don't think so. DeRuyter may have had a shot. And if we're going to speculate, I'd guess coach K or Mastro could get a 1AA HC job at a losing program. Especially coach K with his resume. If you're going to promise someone the HC job they have to be a proven commodity.
Maybe nobody came out and said it but I think it was a fairly good assumption. You bring in a guy from a P-10 school that has a little name going for himself and you task him with turning around one of the worst Defenses in the country. I am saying that had he turned it around and made a big difference, yes he coiuld have been the next coach.
Stuck in Seattle
12-09-2009, 08:07 AM
Maybe nobody came out and said it but I think it was a fairly good assumption. You bring in a guy from a P-10 school that has a little name going for himself and you task him with turning around one of the worst Defenses in the country. I am saying that had he turned it around and made a big difference, yes he coiuld have been the next coach.
Yes, possible if he came in and turned the D into a top 40 defense and recruited well along with being a great administrator, but that's not what you wrote initially. And you wrote that we should promise the position to the next DC before he comes in.
Finally, the RGJ said they've had 60 people apply for the position. Hopefully one of them has the kind of resume we need.
Maybe nobody came out and said it but I think it was a fairly good assumption. You bring in a guy from a P-10 school that has a little name going for himself and you task him with turning around one of the worst Defenses in the country. I am saying that had he turned it around and made a big difference, yes he coiuld have been the next coach.
Yeah, WC, with all due respect, I saw the assumption made from a lot of people regarding Nigel and being the future Pack head coach here on the site, and I wasn't going to disagree with it. It is a big compliment to any coach to be considered a head coach.
But overall, that type of assumption just wasn't factual. I don't know how long his stay in Reno was going to be anyway to be completely blunt about it. There were some shocked folks regarding Portland State. I think that's great for Coach Burton though, I mean, that's a tough program to run right at this minute - I think that's been documented. But he has a chance to do something special there. I'm happy for him.
Yes, possible if he came in and turned the D into a top 40 defense and recruited well along with being a great administrator, but that's not what you wrote initially. And you wrote that we should promise the position to the next DC before he comes in.
Finally, the RGJ said they've had 60 people apply for the position. Hopefully one of them has the kind of resume we need.
There will be no shortage of coaches lining up to be the new D.C. I mean, look at the offense? Wow.
I think there is a lot of talent on the D-side of the ball too. ~AWP
wolf_chatter
12-09-2009, 09:49 AM
Yes, possible if he came in and turned the D into a top 40 defense and recruited well along with being a great administrator, but that's not what you wrote initially. And you wrote that we should promise the position to the next DC before he comes in.
Finally, the RGJ said they've had 60 people apply for the position. Hopefully one of them has the kind of resume we need.
I still think he was being groomed for the job. Wether that was in his contract like the guy at FSU or not. Now wether he was going to wait around or not who knew but I truly think he was brought in to prove himself capable of the HC job.
Wolfhomie
12-09-2009, 10:13 AM
I still think he was being groomed for the job. Wether that was in his contract like the guy at FSU or not. Now wether he was going to wait around or not who knew but I truly think he was brought in to prove himself capable of the HC job.
I can guarantee you it wasn't in his contract. Whether or not it was ever implied or he thought so in his head is something we will never know. I think when your a cornerback coach and you have aspirations to be a hc, you follow the ladder and take a dc job if it becomes available and that's what he did. He now has his opportunity as a hc and if he is able to turn that program around he will get a shot at an Idaho or San Jose State. If not, he will be a cornerback's coach again IMHO because his work here is not strong enough on a resume to justify a DC job. Good luck to him and I think it's a positive for Nevada football as well. Here is hoping the right DC is brought in to make this thing work.
Stuck in Seattle
12-09-2009, 11:10 AM
Here's a quote I found from Barry Alvarez on what you want from a defense. I want this:
4 Things You Should Be Able to Ask your Players:
1. Know what you’re doing
2. Hustle
3. Hit
4. Finish
Defensive Philosophy:
1. When you give up a lot of yards:
a. How many missed assignments
b. How many missed tackles (anytime over 10 missed tackles, your probably going to lose)
c. How many times you got beat 1 on 1
2. Never go around blocks, cross their faces
3. Good defenses don’t spend time on the ground
4. Fundamentals have to include: explosion, reaction, pursuit, and gang tackling
5. Go for the ball- the 2nd and 3rd tacklers look to strip the ball, good defensive coaches coach turnovers
6. Stress speed and movement
7. A good linebacker is an extension of his coach. It is his job to keep his defense alert and anticipate the offense’s next move.
8. The bottom line is productivity. How many times is # __ involved in the play?
9. Teach them to get pre snap reads by noticing splits, formations, personnel, etc.
10. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STOP THE RUN
11. Disrupt first downs. 3 or less yards
12. The more closer to the goal line, the more aggressive the defensive call
13. Always know what the offense’s answer is going to be to your blitz
14. Always play the scouting report percentages
Program Philosophy:
1. Devise a plan to fit their personality
2. Dealing with players:
a. The position coach is responsible for his players in all phases of their life
b. A good Head Coach wants his coaches to be close to their players. They must trust him. The position coach is expected to treat their players like family.
c. Set up practices to set up players to feel successful when building a program early on.
d. Use every opportunity to send your message
e. The players must know we will do all we can for them but they also have a duty to do what is right. Explain to them we are not a welfare program.
f. Always be honest in evaluating players
g. Don’t hesitate to contact players parents good or bad.
3. Practice Approach:
a. Don’t waste time, use walk-throughs effectively
b. Explain to them that every day is not an open try-out
c. Practice is about reps, coach the corrections during film
d. Explain the drills before practice
e. Develop the young players, keep them involved through meetings and scout team
f. Players respond to good organization. Coach the little details but also be sure to teach them the big picture.
g. Teach them the thought process during certain game situations.
h. Plain and simple, they must believe they have the advantage over their opponent every week
thehowling
12-09-2009, 11:20 AM
+1
Especially the last part: "believe they have the advantage over their opponent every week."
Here's a quote I found from Barry Alvarez on what you want from a defense. I want this:
4 Things You Should Be Able to Ask your Players:
1. Know what you’re doing
2. Hustle
3. Hit
4. Finish
Defensive Philosophy:
1. When you give up a lot of yards:
a. How many missed assignments
b. How many missed tackles (anytime over 10 missed tackles, your probably going to lose)
c. How many times you got beat 1 on 1
2. Never go around blocks, cross their faces
3. Good defenses don’t spend time on the ground
4. Fundamentals have to include: explosion, reaction, pursuit, and gang tackling
5. Go for the ball- the 2nd and 3rd tacklers look to strip the ball, good defensive coaches coach turnovers
6. Stress speed and movement
7. A good linebacker is an extension of his coach. It is his job to keep his defense alert and anticipate the offense’s next move.
8. The bottom line is productivity. How many times is # __ involved in the play?
9. Teach them to get pre snap reads by noticing splits, formations, personnel, etc.
10. DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO STOP THE RUN
11. Disrupt first downs. 3 or less yards
12. The more closer to the goal line, the more aggressive the defensive call
13. Always know what the offense’s answer is going to be to your blitz
14. Always play the scouting report percentages
Program Philosophy:
1. Devise a plan to fit their personality
2. Dealing with players:
a. The position coach is responsible for his players in all phases of their life
b. A good Head Coach wants his coaches to be close to their players. They must trust him. The position coach is expected to treat their players like family.
c. Set up practices to set up players to feel successful when building a program early on.
d. Use every opportunity to send your message
e. The players must know we will do all we can for them but they also have a duty to do what is right. Explain to them we are not a welfare program.
f. Always be honest in evaluating players
g. Don’t hesitate to contact players parents good or bad.
3. Practice Approach:
a. Don’t waste time, use walk-throughs effectively
b. Explain to them that every day is not an open try-out
c. Practice is about reps, coach the corrections during film
d. Explain the drills before practice
e. Develop the young players, keep them involved through meetings and scout team
f. Players respond to good organization. Coach the little details but also be sure to teach them the big picture.
g. Teach them the thought process during certain game situations.
h. Plain and simple, they must believe they have the advantage over their opponent every week
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